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The burning question*: Is this a ‘press’ or a ‘cupboard’?

WE KNOW HOW you feel. The week looms ahead and you have a lot on your plate.

So do like we do here in TheJournal.ie HQ and get stuck into a serious debate on one of life’s most pressing questions…

This week: Following a mini-debate in the comments section of last week’s Burning Question* and suggestions of an urban/rural, Americanism/Hibernicism divide, some readers want this one put to the public vote:

Do you call an enclosed shelving space a…

A. ‘Cupboard’, or

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B. ‘Press’?

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What’s it going to be?


Poll Results:





Disclaimer: When there is a hot water cylinder in aforementioned storage space, it is ALWAYS a hotpress. End of.

See previous entries in The Burning Question*>

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Comments (64 Comments)

  • Sarah Cullington 21/11/11 #
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    It’s a press that sometimes has to be translated to cupboard for non-Irish husband.

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  • Ronan Mulhern 21/11/11 #
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    Depends where you’re from. I have always called it a cupboard but the missus from the midlands says press.

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  • Orela Krawczyk 21/11/11 #
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    Clothes, linens towels etc go in the press. Food and crockery go in the cupboard

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  • CJ Ryan 21/11/11 #
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    Old Mother Hubbard went to her press…???

    Something’s screwy here.

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  • Sarah 21/11/11 #
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    That’s a press. The other one is the airing cupboard.

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  • John Delaney 21/11/11 #
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    Most houses with water cylinders have hot presses, Modern houses have airing cupboards. Kitchens have presses, go on, there’s cake in the press, help yourself. Cupboard relates to some where dingy you put stuff to keep the place tidy. Fire it in, they’ll be here soon!.

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  • Emer Sugrue 21/11/11 #
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    Cup-board. It’s in the name!

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  • Elizabeth Taaffe 21/11/11 #
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    Press. But when I once asked my northern irish friend to get me something from the press she looked at me like I had two heads. So occasionally I have to say cupboard

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  • Hazel Kearney 21/11/11 #
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    How the heck is cupboard an Americanism???

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  • swimtwobirds 21/11/11 #
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    70% say press?

    This board is no Irish board.

    NO IRISH BOARD AT ALL.

    THERE IS ONLY CUPBOARD. CUPBOARDS AND THE LARDER.

    A PRESS IS ONLY A HOT PRESS.

    HELLFIRE AND DAMNATION ON YOUR BOURGEOIS KITCHEN PRESSES.

    HELLFIRE.

    AND.

    DAMNATION.

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  • Val Kearney 21/11/11 #
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    I thought they were different. Is a cupboard not where all the delph is kept, and a press is where everything else is kept, i.e. food etc. And dont even get me started on people calling the T.V. remote “the remote”! Its clearly the box.

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  • Declan Hayes 21/11/11 #
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    In standard English it is a cupboard, just check any dictionary. In the same dictionary you’ll find many meanings for the word ‘press’ but none of them refers to a cupboard as it is only used as such informally in Ireland by people speaking Hiberno-English. It originates from the Irish word ‘prios’.

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  • Hanly Sheelagh 21/11/11 #
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    The larder I think is a kind of pantry (storage place for ingredients), a press is for clothes as in iron (press, trouser press) and a cupboard is where the Delph (cups etc) go. That used to be the way when people lived in big houses and didn’t mix up their food with their Delph and clothes.

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    • Metassus 21/11/11 #
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      And there’s another one. Delph. We call ‘em “dishes” over here on the west coast. Always found delph a little Dutch for my tastes …

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      Has storing food and clothes separately gone out of fashion? Do people put their clothes in the press with their plates, cups and saucers nowadays? I’m getting old … this modern world is too much for me!

    • Ann Mooney 22/11/11 #
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      And in Cork, they do the ‘ware’ not the ‘washing up’!

  • Dee Mac 21/11/11 #
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    The only press I have is the hot press the rest are cupboards !! My granny had presses but I haven’t really heard it since then ??? Odd

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  • Jane Ward 21/11/11 #
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    This really is a press-ing issue. But seriously it’s a cupboard.

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      Erm…sorry to put the cat among the pigeons some more…but Americans call kitchen presses “cabinets”.
      A “Press” was originally for PRESSING linen…hence, the “linen” angle, and Hot-press.
      Whereas a “Cup-board” as someone pointed out, was originally for crockery.
      In my experience, most English people say “cupboard” for all things storage-y, including Broom-cupboard (which usually has no shelves); and most Irish people say “Press” for kitchen things and linens, but not brooms, or stationery.
      Any clearer now? No?

  • damian 21/11/11 #
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    Always cupboard!

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  • Daniel Dunne 21/11/11 #
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    Press if it has a door, otherwise it’s a cupboard.

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  • Tom Murray 21/11/11 #
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    It’s a press, but we also had an airing cupboard not a hot press, but that was just a silly english thing.

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  • fitszpatrick 21/11/11 #
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    Is this just another damn Press Release? We want more top drawer articles.

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  • John O'Sullivan 21/11/11 #
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    Food in a cupboard. everything else goes in the press.

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  • Ruby Moore 21/11/11 #
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    I’m English so the word ‘press’ as a substitute for cupboard had always seemed a bit weird. But, when in Rome.

    Back home, though, a cupboard has doors, if it’s like a cupboard with no doors it’s just shelves, and if the plates stand on their edge it’s a dresser. Linen goes in the airing cupboard, and ‘hot press’ is something you do to creased trousers, but generally not your pants.

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    The term cupboard comes from the original cup board, where cups and mugs were stored. This term goes back to the 12th century as ‘cuppebord’ when cups and mugs were stored on boards, often stacking them on top of each other to save space. When needed, the boards were taken down one at a time, the cups staying on the board as the server transferred them into the kitchen or dining hall to be used . . . why carry 3-4 cups at a time when a board of them gets the job done faster?

    By the 16th century, these boards were incorporated into an enclosed box to keep them cleaner (ie: rodents). Over the centuries, these ‘cupboards’ or cabinets were used to keep rodents out of food, too.

    The term press comes from the Irish ‘prios’ which is a non-specific word for a place/cabinet/container to store things.

    The term larder comes from the 13th century ‘lardier’ where lard was kept . . . essentially a very cool room to store fats (butter, lard, cheese, cream, etc) . . . aka a buttery, but this was also a separate room at times, as it was solely used to make butter.

    The term pantry comes from the 13th century French term ‘paneterie’ which is where bread/baking was stored, aka a bread room . . . pan meaning bread, which is where we get the term pan when referring to sliced bread, or formed bread baked in a bread pan.

    The term pantry is also a room between the kitchen and dining room where food is prepared before service.

    Also, in today’s kitchen, a pantry is usually a tall and deep cupboard used to store tins and boxes of storable food items.

    What I’d like to know is why do the Irish use the word ‘homely’ when referring to their cozy abode? Homey is the correct word usage, as homely means lacking in physical attractiveness, not beautiful, unattractive, not having elegance or refinement, uncivilized, uncultured, simple, unaddorned, plain and poor.

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    • Joe Maher 21/11/11 #
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      nice I love to learn about this kinda thing

    • David Butcher 23/11/11 #
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      My friend made the mistake of saying her friends house in the USA was ‘homely’ and didn’t understand why she got weird looks. It’s another one of those words that change their meaning somewhere over the Atlantic.
      From Dictionary.com
      1) In the United States, homely usually suggests absence of natural beauty: an unattractive person almost homely enough to be called ugly.
      2) In England, the word suggests a wholesome simplicity without artificial refinement or elegance; since it characterizes that which is comfortable and attractive, it is equivalent to homey : a homely cottage.

  • Felicity Scott 21/11/11 #
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    Cups and dishes go in a cupboard. Clothes needing airing go in the hot-press. Food goes in the pantry. Clothes go in the wardrobe! I’m from the North, where pedantry is a GOOD thing

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  • Paul 21/11/11 #
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    Protestants say cupboards, Catholics say press, simple as 

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  • Noreen Kennedy 21/11/11 #
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    I grew up in the 60′s in Dublin, and you put clothes into the hot press after ironing, and anything in the kitchen went into a press too, grand parents from Cork, Nenagh, Kilkenny and Dublin, all called them presses, so it must be a country thing.

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  • Ste Bourke 21/11/11 #
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    I Pressed Press.

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  • Niall Shanahan 21/11/11 #
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    I’m bilingual, insofar as I swing both ways, kick with both feet and play for both sides.

    In short, it could be cupboard or press, depends who I am talking to.

    But the water cylinder, unequivocally, resides in the hot press. Anyone who disagrees with me is a pepper-spray wielding nazi.

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    • SusieQ 21/11/11 #
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      The immersion is in the hot press. The cups are in the press. The food is in the press. Everything is in the press. I don’t think it’s a country thing (all my grandparents are Dubs), I think it’s an Irish thing.

  • Réada Quinn 21/11/11 #
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    Prios. Irish for press. I knew it was an Irish thing.

    Thanks Susan. You’re true to your word from last week. Just cos you’re in Dublin now don’t forget your roots. Keep calling it a PRESS.

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  • Gavin Lawlor 21/11/11 #
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    It depends which side the handle faces when it’s opened. If the handle faces west or south or southwest it’s a press and if it faces north or east or northeast it’s a cupboard. This is reversed in the southern hemisphere due to what is know as the “epicotimis” effect! There are exceptions to this rule in countries divided by the equator where it is at the discretion of the ruling government. However when a monarchy is installed they may overrule any government decree but this must be done on the final equinox of a leap year!

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  • Kevin Doyle 21/11/11 #
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    If you remember me Susan, I’m the one who brought this up on last week’s poll. Thanks so much for doing this poll this week, it’s this sort of reader interaction and feedback that makes thejournal, thedailyedge and thescore the best news sites on the web!!!

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  • Bonita Shrable 21/11/11 #
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    That sir, is a cabinet, sometimes called a cupboard. I’ve never heard it called a “press”!

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    goddam…that’s like asking me if that vehicle is an articulated truck or articulated pantechnicon…

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  • Annette Ryan 22/11/11 #
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    Having lived in England for many years I started calling Presses Cupboards as I was fed up trying to explain what a Press was. I have never used the word s Hot Press, it’s always been Airing Cupboard.

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  • An Léine Gorm 22/11/11 #
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    Enough!

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  • Louise MacMahon 27/11/11 #
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    I’m not sure it is entirely an Irish word. Samuel Pepys several times refers to presses meaning cupboards in his diaries. It may be an older construction that we have held onto in Ireland, like pitcher in America.

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  • Catherine Dean 25/04/12 #
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    If you need a laugh have a look at this!!!

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