Bullies breed bullies and any I knew growing up,didn’t amount to much in life….

Lol I was hoping that too. Or giving him the finger!

It is perhaps that she is more erudite than that. She didn’t use a single um, er, or uh either.

Which just goes to show how judgmental society can be and yes, it’s worse for women. This lady has had 3 kids. Men don’t get pregnant and aren’t under pressure to “eat for 2″. And when all that’s over women are expected to jump on a treadmill straight after birth?!

Jaysus, fair play to her…..

You should check out the stories on the Journal about Reilly. There are plenty of comments on his … ahem .. magnitude.

It doesn’t matter if it’s women or men who are doing most of the judging – it’s the fact that women get judged more than men on their appearance that’s the problem. Women judge themselves pretty harshly too and there’s nothing healthy or good about that.

Not sure I agree. Plenty of comments about Cowen and Reilly out there. Especially after Reilly’s ill considered remarks about seat belts under pressure!

This is true but I do think women get a harder time of it than men in general – simply because their appearance and their bodies are always the main talking point.

…what?

Gwan

So what if it’s rude? He told her in private. It’s far more important that she loses weight than she is offended. Being offended won’t kill her and leave her children motherless.

Being bullied could.

Absolutely on the money, spot on Rachel.

You are so high and mighty Michael
Come back to me when you are in your 40′s+/ have an injury that prevents you exercising/has any number of medical conditions that can increase weight – and the list goes on.
Where did you get the figures that operating on a obese person costs twice that of an ‘average’ person? That’s simply not true.
Also overweight people are not necessarily unfit or have poor heart performance or lung performance – obesity is a risk factor sure, but it is far from a given that every overweight person has these problems

@dave – you’re talking about very niche instances there. People with severe disabilities can maintain fitness, with a number I’ve seen who are fitter than I. Everyone can lose weight, just drop calorie intake and move around more. Too many people have paper thin excuses…… ‘oh it’s genetic, nothing I can do about it so I may as well eat the whole pack of biscuits.’

Dave, speaking in general, yes, an obese person will normally take twice the cost as an average person. When you are taken to the prep room, instead of taking ten minutes to knock the patient out and stabilise them it takes twenty because the anaesthetist has to work with the risk of sending the patient into heart failure, it takes longer to gain IV access, airway control, it takes more anaesthetic to knock the patient out and it takes longer for it to take effect, it takes more pain relief and more muscular relaxant. Instead of taking 3 people to move the patient, it takes 6, instead of finding all the anatomical features where they should be they have moved or are covered over, instead of taking an hour to remove an appendix it takes two, instead of taking an hour to recover in recovery it takes two – regardless of whether or not the obese patient has health issues. Obese people are more susceptible to infection due to unbalanced diets, so end up spending longer in hospital post-surgery.
That’s before you even go near the possibility of the patient having poor heart or lung function, or having diabetes.
Obese people aren’t necessarily of poorer health, I agree, but if you take a patient into an OR that differs from the norm negatively in terms of weight or mass or BMI, no anaesthetist is going to presume you’re of the best of health – that’s a fact, and whether you like it or not – they’re not going to be the one that anaesthetises the patient so quickly that it sends the patient into multi organ failure.
It’s not just people over 40 who are obese Dave, there’s an upcoming outbreak of obesity, and people need to wise up to that, because unlike medical patients that can be treated in the community, you cannot perform surgery in a non-sterile field in a nursing home or a family home.

What annoys me about your comment Michael is that you are generalising about people (the ONLY thing you can generalise about is that people who generalise are idiots). Every individual has different reasons for being obese, has different health needs. You simply cannot say all obese are the same as you infer.

And I did not say only people over 4o are obese – i said come back to me when you yourself get older and find that its not so easy to keep the weight off any more.
Its easy to be on your high horse when you’re young.
( I was a skinny rake until i was about 33, now I struggle to keep weight off despite a healthy diet and regular exercise)
(oh yeah – my back is wrecked because I am a nurse – and being a male nurse I was nearly always involved in moving the really obese patient)

Micheal – this video is not strictly about obesity. If you think it is you’ve missed the point. At no time did anyone say it was healthy to be heavier than your ideal weight.

Obesity has been highlighted as a major issue, highlighting a problem in a person is not highlighting the problem, it’s attaching it to a person. That’s the line with bullying.

Ohhh that did my heart good. That video should be kept and shown to kids (and clearly adults too) of all ages everywhere. In light of what happened to Ciara Pugsley recently, and so many others this video is as clear a message as any I’ve seen.
As to the weight issue, I recently spoke to a doctor who believes that weight related diabetes is something that will explode here and cripple the HSE in comming years. It still doesn’t give anyone the right to bully or abuse anyone for being overweight.

Tomy, I very much agree with you – attaching obesity to one person is wrong, the emailer is wrong because this presenter is not the only person who is obese – and to single any person out because they smoke, or drink or are obese, that is wrong.
In saying that, the views with regards to obesity as outlined here is “Awh, poor woman”, as opposed to the views of those with regards to smoking or drinking which is “self inflicted”.
Which brings me to your point Dave, it’s not a generalisation. Surgery for someone who is at the prime of their health, non-smoker, non-drinker, exerciser, non-obese, completely healthy life – surgery for those people is an incredible pull on that persons health, and can take weeks for that person to recover. If you add in the complexity of smoker, drinker, obesity, the only way recovery can go is longer. That is a fact.
I did not give out generalisations, Dave – they are facts. No anaesthetist or surgeon is going to presume that operating on an obese person is going to be the same as operating on an average person. That’s not a generalisation, that is a fact. The things I mentioned above RE the prep time, the surgery time, recovery time – that is presuming that the only thing wrong with the person is that they are obese, and otherwise are in prime condition, they are facts – not generalisations.
You both have actually proven my point – we need to change our view RE obesity, smoking and alcohol intake, people are not victims to obesity, smoking or alcohol intake – they over-eat, smoke or drink knowing the risks that come down the line.
With regards the emailer, yes he was wrong, he spoke to this presenter specifically about her weight, which is bullying, he should have spoken about obesity in general, and not single out this woman. However, the people here who are posting are doing so presuming she is a victim of obesity, which she is not. She is a victim of bullying, which is entirely different.

Dave – if you are eating healthy and doing regular exercise ( and enough to get you panting and sweating, not a stroll on a treadmill for 20 minutes) – then theres something else wrong. Whether that’s portion control, involuntary snacking or food intolerance. When doing you workout try hiit workouts.

I think Michael makes excellent points.

This email was really cruel, I hope we all agree on that. But the woman lost me when she started comparing it to racist bullying or bullying of people with disabilities. The hard truth is that being obese is extremely unhealthy, but ultimately – and I’m sorry if this sounds harsh – it is something we have control over, something we can and should all change by adapting our behaviour.

She also lost me when she said we should teach kids to be kind and not critical. Sometimes a dose of the unvarnished truth is the best medicine. That said, those close to her might should be the ones to dish that out, not some eegit on the internet who doesn’t even know her.

So we should teach our kids to be critical then eh?

Sorry Petr – simply not acceptable. I think so many adults make assumptions based on their adult view. Don’t forget what it was like to be a kid.

I could do something about being cr*p at football when I was a kid but I didn’t do it because I was told that I was crap at football. The FACT remains that people respond a lot better to encouragement than criticism. And there is a big difference between critique and criticism.

Tomy

Good points. I don’t really disagree with you. Just to be clear, I think the guy who sent this email is a total creep, and you’re right about children, constant encouragement is a must. But this lady is an adult; someone close to her should encourage her to lose weight; not for cosmetic or superficial reasons, but because being that over-weight is extremely bad for one’s health. It should not be unmentionable.

It’s obviously not as easy as “dropping your calorie intake and moving around more” or else there’d be hardly any obese people in the world…

There are a few factors to take into consideration when it comes to weight. An unhealthy relationship to food and exercise can be caused by mental health problems, for example (and don’t shake this off – food addiction and their underlying causes are real problems). Money is another huge factor – a lot of the cheapest foods are terrible for you, but if you can’t afford to buy expensive fruit and veg etc (and it’s getting more expensive all the time), then you’re forced to eat cheap processed foods. There’s also the fact that many people work long hours in jobs that require you to sit down and not move much at all. If you’re thinking of joining a gym, that can be expensive and if you’re a parent or someone who doesn’t have the time to exercise, then what can you do?

Bodies are different – some gain weight quick, others don’t. Women can gain weight after pregnancy and have a tough time shaking it. Some bodies are meant to have some weight on them (you can be very healthy and still fat), and it’d be unhealthy for that particular person to try to lose that weight.

But either way – you just can’t look at a person and say “well, obviously they’re not trying hard enough” or “they’re just making excuses for themselves” and you most certainly can’t go around comparing people because everyone’s different. Like the lady in the video says – she KNOWS she’s overweight. Policing people’s bodies and judging them is going to do nothing but harm.

I agree, it’s not just about eating not much. It’s about changing the way we treat food. Fruit and veg are not expensive – it has been shown countless of times in countless of studies that it is cheaper to eat healthy food than it is to eat junk.
You can walk into Aldi with their fruit and veg offers (super 6) every week – 6 fruits/veg less than a euro. Tesco have their tesco brand – again fruits/veg less than a euro. Eating crap food because its cheaper is no excuse anymore.
Genetic conditions in obesity are primarily as a result of chronically defects, and are normally accompanied by other physical and mental defects, usually requiring physiotherapy, and requiring behaviour counselling, genetic obesity on its own does not exist.
Yes people loose and gain weight at different rates, but to say that someone is overweight because they can’t afford to go to the gym, or have children, or whatever – it takes 30 minutes of good physical action a day at most to keep weight down – or at least under control. There are very few people who have absolutely no time to exercise – that’s also not a valid excuse.
Everybody’s skeleton is more or less the same – within a percentage of error. To say obesity is caused by big muscles, or heavy bones, or that to loose weight on someone who is morbidly obese is irresponsible, and also untrue.
Usually, contrary to your point of view Eleen, obesity is because the person is not trying hard enough. It doesn’t take much to get a 30 minute walk a day, and you’d be surprised how much you could save if you ate healthy food.
This isn’t about whether she knows she is obese or not – she can look in a mirror and see that, granted, it’s a case of admitting it, the point is changing the way we view obese people.
Very few people are a victim of obesity, it is fully controllable – there are services in every hospital in the country to help people struggling with their weight, there is no excuse for it.

Sorry Micheal, you have some good points, but I’ll have to disagree with you on the whole anyway.

The way we view obese people is only part of the problem. We have a culture that obsesses about weight, and anyone with a little fat on them is scrutinised. Obese people are usually judged harshly, ridiculed, looked down on and openly hated in our society. I don’t see how that helps them or anybody for that matter.

I think you’re right that good diet and regular exercise can be achieved by most people and that in general people can be lazy when it comes to looking after themselves properly but it still is not up to us to make that judgement call. I think promoting exercise, healthy eating habits and good mental health is a must. But if you have a problem with your weight and with food, it takes an enormous and sustained effort to change that – it’s a real struggle – and it’s not always something people are capable of undertaking, especially if they have stress at work or home, or have mental health issues etc etc. It’s really tough and to have other people constantly thinking you’re lazy and badly motivated just makes it worse. People need positive energy and support in order to make changes, not this crappy attitude.

Also, bodies being different has nothing to do with people’s skeletons. There are three different basic body types, each have gain and distribute weight differently – and then you’ve got metabolism, genes and a whole host of other factors that play in the make-up of a person. People can be fat and very fit and healthy at the same time, likewise I can eat lots sh*t food and be as skinny as a rake and never exercise and no one says a word to me because I look the way we think healthy people look like right now.

I agree with Michael. And while I would say the emailer is a creep, comparing comments about obesity to racism is pretty OTT. Obesity is a serious problem and needs to be tackled, not by setting obese people up for ridicule, but by helping them adopt a healthier lifestyle. The trouble is that the person has to make a choice to try this, and many don’t.

While I agree with a lot of what has been said in regards to being over weight I must say it upsets me greatly when I read that obese people are just a fat lazy bunch that sit eating full packets of biscuits etc all day long, as an obese person I can tel ye that this is not the case for everyone some do try very hard not to be that obese person they see in the mirror.
I have worked really hard for over 7 years to lose almost 8 stone that by the way 8 stone that I did not put on over night and I have worked damn hard to get rid of and I’m still an obese person!!!
Losing weight is not only about eating less and moving more it’s goes a lot deeper than that for most people. It’s also about changing your relationship with food. I developed my major bad relationship with food as a young teen and it got worse as my teen/ school years went on. Food was my friend!!!! You all may think that’s stupid but food does not judge you and it does not bully you no your peers do that, adults to that, doctors do that although they may have the best intention, so food then becomes your comfort and you develop this emotional connection with food!!!! Then when you’ve finished eating it you feel so rotten in your self that you get very low and what do you do return to your comfort zone…. Yes food. So it becomes a cycle of bad after bad that rapidly get out of control. Then you start to see how you look or something snaps inside and you say that’s it I’m going on a diet or joining a club/ gym!! but it is not that simple,you have this in your head now that because you made that decision or gone without the over eating etc that the weight that took 30+ years to put on should just vanish over night. No you need to change how you see food. Also sometimes you feel like your being punished. I know a lot of you are going to read this and think oh for crying out loud but I’m being honest it’s not trying to make excuses for it. I’m the one who ate the food etc I’m the one who didn’t do something sooner but I’m also the only one who can do something about my obesity. Being told your fat and lazy does not help at all do you not think I already knew I was fat I don’t need someone to tell me but I’m trying day in and day out and still 7 years on its still as hard as the day I started.
This is where I think help is needed too peoples mental addiction to food needs to change or you’ll just keep giving up so it’s not just excise and eating less well in my case anyway

Nosey Nelly, I think you hit the nail right on the head there – when people think of obesity they rarely consider the mental and emotional factors involved and I don’t think anybody has the right to judge anybody with weight issues unless they’ve walked a mile in their shoes.

Uncensored, how can you claim that many fat/obese people don’t make the effort to lose weight? How can you know that?

I’ve never had weight issues myself, and I hope I’m not offending anybody with what I’m saying. But I can just imagine how hard it must be when there are people giving you a hard time about it all the time. I mean, Uncensored isn’t the only one saying that many people don’t bother making an effort. I’ve known people to look at someone with a bit of fat on them and turn around and tell me they hate fat people (?!?!) and that they should be sterilised. That’s absolutely shocking and it’s frankly disgusting how many people think it’s okay to pass judgement on others just because they’ve got fat on them, or think they have the right (like this guy in the email) to tell another person what they should be doing with their lives without even knowing them.

Imagine if you’re working hard and struggling and making an effort but all anyone ever sees is the fat you still have and completely dismiss you because of it? And having people tell you that it’s as easy as not eating as much and doing exercise when it’s clearly not that easy – it’s completely unfair.

So yeah, we’ve a lot of work to do in our society to tackle obesity and I think the one thing most of us can do is learn to keep our thoughts to ourselves and be a lot more tolerant, considerate and supportive of people who are having trouble with their weight.

(But I do also have in issue with comparing obesity to race and sexual orientation etc, I think that’s a pretty stupid thing to do.)

*Sorry censored, not Uncensored >_< my apologies

Being overweight poses health risks, but these can be reduced by maintaining a reasonable level of fitness, according to a recent study, mentioned in the Evening Herald sometime within the last month. The thing about attacking someone about their appearance is that it’s an easy target – we don’t know why the person is overweight, if they have a medical condition that prevents them exercising or what’s going on in their lives to make them overeat etc. It’s easy because it’s visible on the outside, so people can abuse, judge and mock the person, destroying their confidence and exacerbating their problems. But how many people privately have less than healthy practices – drugs, sexual conduct, addictions and the like which no-one sees until there are consequences? Just because you conform to the current norm on the outside doesn’t mean you’re healthy, or that you won’t sometime become a burden on the health service ( if we could call it that!). This woman role-modeled assertiveness, challenged the demands society makes on women and spoke clearly and convincingly about the value of the person, not the weight figure. I would rather see more of that than the kind of rubbish that influences young girls to feel bad about themselves and leads to anorexia. Of course it’s better to be healthy, just like it’s better to never smoke, drink little, and avoid all risks but do we want a nanny state? Or can we encourage change through positive respectful measures while acknowledging that everyone’s circumstances are different and a little kindness and respect will go so much further than blind insensitivity and cruelty

Fair play Tommy spot on.
Also nobody has mentioned the harm women do to themselves trying to be thin…

I also resent her comparison of obesity to race.

Indeed. Absolutely risible, bordering on offensive.

It was an nasty email, all the more insidious for its unconfrontational tone.

Her point was about bullying and the reasons people are bullied of which race and obesity are two. Your ire is misplaced here.

Disagree. One’s race is part of who they are, being fat is a symptom of eating too much. Again, I don’t want to sound harsh and I think the email was very mean, but comparing the email sent with racist bullying, or even discussing the two together, is at best clumsy,

Nah, bullying is bullying, Petr. Doesn’t matter what it’s about.

Bullying is bullying, but let’s get some context here. There’s a backlash from many obese people in denial about the problem who e.g. complain that airlines are “bullying” them by asking them to buy two seats (only if they cannot physically fit in one seat. That is not bullying or “racism”. It’s an OTT reaction by a selfish and self-absorbed person. Fat people are not a race.

Ok censored, so bullying is bullying, but you think in certain instances bullying is understandable and perhaps even a positive like say if the one bullied is fat? Is that it?

Perhaps you agree with Petr, that a little bullying here or there can be a much needed dose of reality?

Going by that rationale The Bully is actually, though outwardly odious, an essential element of human society.

Catch yerself on.

I didn’t say that. Quite the opposite in fact.

You’re being woolly all over this issue, Petr.

You’re emotional. Read back what I said, it’s very clear. I won’t be repeating it.

In general, it’s not a very good idea to equate one group of people with another (“gay pride is just like black pride, you guys!” etc). It is offensive because they are not and never will be the same and the differences between them are important. It’s important to distinguish the difference between bullying a person because of their race, their sexual orientation, their ginger hair, their body weight etc etc because while bullying in all its forms is bad, the specific reasons for the bullying is unique and has a unique history.

As the woman pointed out she is aware of her weight she didn’t need a complete stranger to email her and point out she was obese. I feel you missed the point of the post!!!!

She handles the critism well for sure , but why give the bully the airtime in the first place, he got to stay anonymous and and an email reply directly back to him in private could have been just as cutting , she is setting herself up for a lot more “fat news woman ” attacks online after handling it this way I’m afraid ,

Another point just Re the fact that ” taxpayers will foot the bill pay for when she’s in hospital – you clearly don’t have a good grasp of the US health system , and it’s likely that as she’s a working mam with 3 kids her health insurance costs are probably around 800 or 1000 dollars a month minimum so be careful applying the irish assumptions on health for the USA as it is totally different system.

Bandarra -
The fact is she runs a risk of medical problems – it is not a fact that she will.
How do you know she does not exercise? You know that from looking at her do you?

Plenty of people exercise regularly and are still overweight and are still healthy
Yours is a simplistic argument all right

Many people are overweight and are still pretty fit, in many cases they are healthier than people who appear not to be overweight – all true. That said, being overweight is a serious risk factor and not a good thing at all.

Well you said your argument was simplistic and you are right in that! However, simple solutions to complex problems tend to be highly ineffective, so to point out a few…..
She is overweight but how do you know she doesn’t walk briskly for 20 minutes a day as well? If you knew what you were talking about you would realise that many overweight people are highly active just as many slim people are quite unfit. Many people will live healthy lives and still get ill – should we arrive a situation where people won’t be treated if their illness MIGHT be the result of having once been fat, or a smoker? How will we prove that the person wouldn’t have gotten ill anyway? Skinny people do also fall ill – should weight be the determining factor when prioritising people in our crazy health system?
And thinking about our crazy health system – don’t overweight people also pay taxes? “The system cannot support people who have no self responsibility and no consequence for their actions.” So if I accidentally, through carelessness, walk out in front of a car, should I be left waiting because I am responsible for paying attention to where I’m going?
If you want to be assured of a quick response when you fall ill, better consider carefully who you vote for next time because while obesity may be a problem for many, the figure that needs the biggest reduction is the pay packet of those who are failing dismally to do their jobs and make out health system work properly. But that’s where simplistic arguments get you – you focus on the least relevant thing and miss the real issue

While *some* cases of obesity are not due to poor diet – *most* are.

I agree that we shouldn’t bully or laugh at people for being over weight but I disagree that it can’t be changed, in most cases! My wife did it on health grounds! Being over weight puts an individual at risk of health problems and that should be addressed!

Dave — In almost every case the person has the power to change it.

Not only that Daisy – she looks healthy!

No one suggested she become the opposite to obesity and be skeletal. That’s a straw man argument. Do you care if she gets Diabetes?

People seem to be pretending there are no consequences to being grossly over-weight. There are grave consequences.

There are – but people exaggerate them a lot too. Like it has been pointed out: this woman doesn’t look unhealthy at all. You can eat well, exercise and be healthy at that weight no problem – especially as a woman after having 3 kids. There are grave consequences for starving yourself thin and keeping your weight down when your natural weight is a bit higher but that’s something no one bothers with because we’ve got some sort of phobia against fat these days.

And yes, a lot of the time excess fat is not healthy – but the only people who will know if someone’s healthy or not is the person themselves and a qualified doctor.

“There are – but people exaggerate them a lot too” No they don’t. Check the figures for type 2 diabetes in the US. Even if you want to ignore the other problems, that’s a very nasty one to expose yourself to.

Point taken, but is it not true that people are exaggerating when it comes to just how much fat is allowed to be on a person before they’re grossly overweight/obese? I mean, while there’s a steadily rising obesity problem, there’s also a steadily rising anorexia problem (affecting both boys and girls) and a growing culture that sees any fat all as being a problem. I just think it’s dangerous to equate having fat on your body with being unhealthy – when it comes to an issue like diabetes or high cholesterol etc especially because you can be as skinny as a rake and still be at high risk (I know I am :/ )

And when it comes to obesity, I’m pretty sure everyone knows the risks involved because it’s talked about non stop. Am I wrong in that? Are there many obese people who are flat out in denial about their condition? Like the woman says in the video, she knows she’s got a weight issue. I’m just assuming this is largely the case with everyone else too.

Have some respect for the “idiots”, we don’t know how they got that way!

She’ll probably make a mint……Jennifer Livingston …..Keep Fit Not Fat…..as seen on CBS WKTB!!

The email was a personal opinion and in my opinion was not a personal “attack” on Jennifer, there was no need to go public, that’s even if there was a “real” person behind it. it’s funny how his personal opinion on someone’s weight was tuned into an anti bullying campaign when it just happened to be anti bullying month i find this very coincidental as she reads her “response” from the tele prompter. Great start to the awareness month

There’s no “bullying” in that email whatsoever. It was not publicised but sent in private. How is it abusive? It was as polite as possible while still making a very valid point. Am I abusive if I tell someone that they have a 50% chance of their smoking habit killing them? I would argue that NOT telling them, even hounding them is the easy way out and therefore not helping them by putting some pressure on them to solve their very unhealthy habits.

The point was made that as someone in the public eye she had a duty to give good example. That point is made continuously about everyone in the public eye. This is an example of attack being the best form of defence.

Obese people, like smokers, live in complete denial and seem incapable of facing the facts.

“I thought the viewer’s letter was politely written and didn’t come across as bullying”

What kind of weirdo writes to someone on tv, that they don’t know and who doesn’t know them, to pass judgement on their appearance? “Dear person off the telly U R fat.”

What would you do if you got an anonymous letter or email telling *you* to sort out your weight? Would you compliment them on their penmanship and correct use of grammar, or tell them to kiss your luscious arse?

I hope I haven’t been judgemental. Just trying to call a spade a spade. I don’t go around telling people they’re fat but if someone close to me was obese (something that is never a good thing) I hope I could encourage them to lose weight in a supportive and encouraging way, rather than pretend that being that fat is totally fine and will have absolutely no consequences. for them.

I’ve had times in my life when friends have hit me with a cold dose of reality. I might have been pissed-off at the time but in hindsight it was a good thing, they got me thinking.

You don’t have any trouble telling someone that you don’t know (me) that they’re “filled with hate and obviously a liar”. Judgmental? I’d say yes you are.

Sorry for the dose of reality……

Apology accepted.

Did I say that to you?

Got a link, Damian??

Turns out you are indeed a liar!

Silly comment.

Nobody’s claiming perfection. The point is simple: being fat is really bad for you.

No, see that’s the problem right there. Being fat isn’t necessarily bad for you! It depends on the amount of fat and where it’s distributed. Being fat – as a woman – around the thighs and hips and ass for example, is actually really healthy! And being thin is unhealthy too, so fat is important. Saying being fat is really bad for you is a dangerous thing (there are far too many people keeping their weight down to unhealthy levels because of this fear of fat).

There is a level where fat becomes a real problem, yes, but still I’m not sure why people who are fat get such a hard time compared to the rest of us who (on the whole) have habits and do things that are terribly bad for us too.

So Denis you are saying that a consequence of being overweight should include faceless bullying emails?

it was dumb the first time you said it, Denis

Unfunny boring Troll is unfunny & boring.

Glad you took the time to contribute to the discussion, macafee…

I thought this comment was ironic

I wonder did he sign the email and send it from his personal account? Or more likely was a one off email used and a pseudonym used. I was always told don’t say behind someone’s back what u are not prepared to say to their face.

She had three kids. What is you excuse?